YEATS HATES KEATS: WHY DO THE MODERNS DESPISE THE ROMANTICS?

They don’t have Yeats!  Only Keats!  The Modernists don’t sell candy. 

Yeats on Keats:

His art is happy, but who knows his mind?
I see a schoolboy when I think of him,
With face and nose pressed to sweet-shop window…
Shut out from all the luxury of the world,
The coarse-bred son of a livery stablekeeper…

Here’s the whole poem which makes it quite clear this is unfortunately Yeats’ actual opinion of Keats.

Yeats, also wrote, “A line will take us hours maybe; yet if it does not seem a moment’s thought, our stitching and unstinting has been naught.” 

The key here is “A line will take us hours…”

This puts Yeats (despite some Romantic impulses) squarely in the Modernist camp—he was closer to his friend Pound than he was to any Romantic.

Keats, on the other hand, said writing poetry should “come like leaves to a tree.”  He didn’t say, ‘the poet should make it look like his poetry comes as naturally as leaves to a tree.’  No, Keats meant the poetry should, in fact, come as naturally to the poet as leaves to a tree, and Keats added that the poetry should appear almost as a “remembrance.”   

The Modern poet sees, then consciously and unsentimentally presents what he sees (“no ideas but in things”).  

Keats, on the other hand, says poetry should express the poet’s “highest thoughts.” 

If high thoughts, memories, prodigious natural talent, youth, luxury, desires, and passion belong to the Romantics and the neo-Romantics, what is left for the poor, bitter Moderns?

Snobbery.  Elitism.  Puritanism.  Jealousy.  

We see these qualities in Yeats’ indictment of Keats.  

“Who knows his mind?”  asks Yeats of the “coarse-bred” Keats. 

Here is the (supposedly) conscious artist, Yeats mocking the (supposedly)unconscious one, Keats.  

The modern mind mocks the romantic mind, finding it vague, sentimental, inexact and invisible.

The youth in today’s MFA, the neo-Romantics who celebrate their frenzied exstence in a luxurious world, are hated by the ‘new Modernist’ old farts, who, ostensibly of animistic zeal in their avant impulses, in reality, resent all that animism stands for: joyous Romantic frenzy.  Or so a certain current theory goes.

Those who love the best of the Romantic poetry cannot stomach most modernist poetry; the former, at its best, had philosophy, while the latter, at its best, had mere manifesto.   Keats was highly conscious, but his conscious was in dialogue with his subconscious, and we suggest that all great artists carry on this inner conversation.   We only know the existence of subconscious and conscious by this dialogue, which spills out and forms the poetry: the reader overhears the two talking.   How can the unconscious exist to us but when the unconscious makes itself known to our conscious? 

The Moderns rejected this, thinking to give the conscious mind control of things (literally control of things, or things in control, which is animistic, come to think of it).  But the drab, inartistic nature of this Imagiste experiment quickly became apparent as High Modernism withered in its ‘little magazine existence,’ pretty much unread.

Who knows his mind? indeed.

The English Romantics woo’d, assimilated, and mated with  previous eras, courting the Greeks, the Enlightenment, the earlier German Romantics, the East, Rome, the Middle Ages, the Renaissance, while the Moderns cut off history like a furious murderer with a knife.  One can see it in Tate and Ransom’s essays ridiculing the keepers of history in the English Departments, who, according to them, paid scant attention to objective poetic forms—but was Modernism really a formalist enterprise?   Of course it wasn’t.  Tate and Ransom’s prose has a certain steely, Sadean power.  But who reads their poetry?

To understand the Modernists, one simply has to read the New Critics, starting with perhaps the most important critical document of the 20th century, Eliot’s “The Sacred Wood” (1920).  

On the very first page of the introduction to that book, what does Eliot do?  What the Modernists and the New Critics made a career of doing, of course.  He attacks the Romantics. 

“To anyone who is at all capable of experiencing the pleasures of justice, it is gratifying to be able to make amends to a writer whom one has vaguely depreciated for some years.” 

Eliot begins as nobly as one can begin, talking of the “pleasures of justice” and reaching out to a writer from the past, the 19th century poet and critic Matthew Arnold.  But after saying he’s re-read him and is starting to appreciate him more, here’s what Eliot then quotes from Arnold:

it has long seemed to me that the burst of creative activity in our literature, through the first quarter of this century, had about it in fact something premature; and that from this cause its productions are doomed, most of them, in spite of the sanguine hopes which accompanied and do still accompany them, to prove hardly more lasting than the productions of far less splendid epochs.  And this prematureness comes from its having proceeded without having its proper data, without sufficient material to work with.  In other words, the English poetry of the first quarter of this century, with plenty of energy, plenty of creative force, did not have enough.  This makes Byron so empty of matter, Shelley so incoherent, Wordsworth, even, profound as he is, yet so wanting in completeness and variety.

Eliot then adds to Arnold’s words, “This judgment of the Romantic generation has not, so far as I know, been successfully controverted…”

No “justice” for Byron and Shelley, apparently.  (Wordsworth, the dullest of the Romantics, and the most resembling a Modernist, at least is called “profound.”)

The dismissal of whole swaths of literary history, especially the Romantics, by Pound, the Moderns, Winters, and the New Critics is well known.  And here we see T.S. Eliot choosing to lead off his most important critical work by quoting Arnold calling Shelley “incoherent,” Byron “empty,” and strangely damning one of the greatest literary periods in human history.

Yeats hates Keats.

15 Comments

  1. Diana Manister said,

    May 19, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Firstly, each avant-garde stages a palace revolution against the previous generation of artists. Despite his statements and the influence of Donne, Baudelaire, Jules Laforgue, Jacobean drama and the philosophy of Brady, Eliot was a Romantic who is not often seen as such because he avoided the direct confessional style of the Romantics but he wrote from their subject position. Unfortunately MFA grads bathe in subjectivity, producing the boring I-centered poetry that fills journals.

    Eliot’s subjectivity does not depend on a single voice; he was a premature postmodernist in the way he employed the polyvocality, distributing Romanticism among multiple dictions and speakers.

    Your article is guilty of damning modernism based on a superficial analysis. Eliot was not a New Critic and he commented unfavorably on it. He admired Shelley’s poetry.

    Don’t blame the current flood of crap poetry on Eliot, Pound and Yeats. They had nothing to do with it. If MFA students were as non-conforming as they were American poetry might not be moribund.

    • thomasbrady said,

      May 19, 2010 at 4:03 pm

      Diana,

      The documentary evidence is extremely clear and it damages our Letters to keep pushing this under the carpet.

      Eliot called Shelley a “blackguard.” How can you call my analysis “superficial” when you ignore Eliot’s revilement of Shelley? How can you ignore the Introduction to The Sacred Wood” where the first thing Eliot does is pronounce, through Arnold, Shelley “incoherent,” and Byron “empty?”

      If one picks up “The Sacred Wood,” the first thing one finds is Eliot damning Shelley. And I’m being “superficial?” I’m not sure why you are sticking your head in the sand over this. If you don’t like Shelley, say so; but don’t pretend that Eliot admired Shelley. The documentary evidence is all against you.

      Do you remember that new book you recommended for me? “Praising It New; The Best of the New Criticism,” and the editor Garrick Davis writes, “The New Criticism as a critical movement begins with one of the founding documents, the introduction to T.S. Eliot’s ‘The Sacred Wood.’” which is the first work in this book.

      As to your point, “each avant-garde stages a palace revolution against the previous generation of artists…” this might sell well among undergraduates who don’t know very much, but as I pointed out above, the Romantics woo’d and courted previous eras; they didn’t take poets of the past out back and shoot them in a palace revolt, they learned from them. So your point is true only narrowly; there is a difference between a Renaissance and an avant-garde, between beautiful philosophy and thuggish manifesto.

      These are the crucial, over-arching facts.

      We can argue until we’re blue in the face over what to “call” T.S. Eliot, Romantic, conservative, rebel, creep, god, Catholic, bigot, avant-garde, Modernist, Pre-Raphaelite, Classicist, New Critic, Tory, priest, organ-grinder, dance-hall m.c., New Englander, banker, depressive, comic, gentleman, blackguard, postmodernist, etc but if we stick to what he and his colleagues actually wrote, we’ll get a more accurate picture of the truth.

      Tom

  2. Yeats said,

    May 20, 2010 at 12:09 am

    I have been talking of the literary element in painting with Miss E.G. and turning over the leaves of Binyon’s book on Eastern Painting, in which he shows how traditional, how literary that is. The revolt against the literary element in painting was accompanied by a similar revolt in poetry. The doctrine of what the younger Hallam called the Aesthetic School was expounded in his essay on Tennyson, and when I was a boy the unimportance of subject was a canon. A French poet had written of girls taking lice out of a child’s hair. Henley was supposed to have founded a new modern art in the ‘hospital poems’, though he would not have claimed this.

    Hallam argued that poetry was the impression on the senses of certain very sensitive men. It was such with the pure artists, Keats and Shelley, but not so with the impure artists who, like Wordsworth, mixed up popular morality with their work. I now see that the literary element in painting, the moral element in poetry, are the means whereby the two arts are accepted into the social order and become a part of life and not things of the study and exhibition. Supreme art is a traditional statement of certain heroic and religious truths, passed on from age to age, modified by individual genius, but never abandonned.

    The revolt of individualism came because the tradition had become degraded, or rather because a spurious copy had been accepted in its stead. Classical morality – not quite natural in Christianized Europe – dominated this tradition at the Renaissance, and passed from Milton to Wordsworth and Arnold, always growing more formal and empty until it became a vulgarity in our time – just as classical forms passed from Raphael to the Academicians.

    But Anarchic revolt is coming to an end, and the arts are about to restate the traditional morality. A great work of art, the Ode to a Nightingale not less than the Ode to Duty, is as rooted in the early ages as the Mass which goes back to savage folk-lore. In what temple garden did the nightingale first sing?

  3. Anonymous said,

    May 25, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Tom, you’re an idiot, poorly read and prone to sloppy thinking.

    • thomasbrady said,

      May 26, 2010 at 2:01 am

      way to support your ‘argument,’ anonymous…bravo!

  4. Marcus Bales said,

    May 25, 2010 at 10:56 pm

    And you, Anonymous, are self-evidently a coward. And if I find out who you are, I’ll write a poem about just what a coward you are. So let me know, will you? This’ll be fun!

  5. Aardworks said,

    August 17, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    Roses are read
    Blue are violeats
    Reading pros in my bed
    Learnin’ Keats vs. Yeats.

  6. March 18, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Diana Manister makes a lot of sense, and her brief response to Thomas Brady is even-toned, coherent, articulate, smart, and lacks pretentiousness and bombastic puffery. Brady use a lot of pretentious phrases like “crucial, over-arching,” “the documentary evidence is extremely clear,” “it damages our Letters,” and “you ignore Elito’s revilement.” This is pretentious language, spoken by an apparently angry person. The article that starts this whole exchange is not an article; it is a rough draft.

  7. thomasbrady said,

    March 18, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    Mr. Keller,

    In my article and in my reply to Ms. Manister, I quote Yeats, Keats, WC Williams, Eliot, and Garrick Davis.

    In your responses, Ms. Manister quotes no one—and you quote me. No evidence, no proof of any kind, no engagement with the topic from you guys at all.

    And Ms. Manister condemns all MFA grads and their “flood of crap poetry.”

    Who is “pretentious” and “angry?”

    Not me. I am factual, insightful—and having the time of my life.

    Oh, and yes, it’s a “rough draft.”

    I am “one of the roughs.” (Walt Whitman)

    Thomas Brady

  8. Anonymous said,

    July 25, 2011 at 11:31 am

    The envy of Modernists never ceases to amuse!

    Those poor fools!

    • thomasbrady said,

      July 25, 2011 at 1:23 pm

      But, according to Edward Keller, “Diana Manister makes a lot of sense!”

      How can I argue against that?

  9. David said,

    May 18, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Tom,

    Who are the contemporary poets who you think come closest to carrying forward the legacy of Keats and Shelley?

    David

    • thomasbrady said,

      May 18, 2012 at 7:56 pm

      David,

      Good question. If there are none who come close to Keats and Shelley, it supports the view that they belonged to a ‘separate age’ which can never come again—and therefore how can the Modernists hate what doesn’t exist, or can’t exist, in their time. My point is lost, because the door to Keats and Shelley is closed forever.

      I don’t know that I buy this, even as I struggle to think of contemporary poets who can be said to carry forward the legacy of Shelley and Keats.

      In the 20th century, Edna Millay in her sonnets, Philip Larkin at times, and perhaps the still-living Richard Wilbur.

      I don’t quite know what it means to say you can’t write like them anymore.

      If an age believes ‘you can’t,’ perhaps that’s enough to ensure ‘you won’t,’ especially since Keats and Shelley cannot simply be copied on a whim.

      Tom

  10. David said,

    May 18, 2012 at 10:16 pm

    Tom,

    What about Ben Mazer? Scarriet appears to hold his poetry in very high regard.

    David

    • thomasbrady said,

      May 19, 2012 at 1:02 am

      Mazer is talented; I wouldn’t call him a Shelley or a Keats; he’s more in the tradition of TS Eliot or John Ashbery…


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