MR. AUDEN AND THE SONNETS

Three wild and crazy Englishmen (Auden, Lewis, Spender) hang out in Venice

In an earlier post, “Fiction v. Poetry,” we used W.H. Auden’s Introduction to Shakespeare’s The Sonnets (Signet/Penguin 1964) and his argument against “vulgar, idle curiosity” in favor of “anonymous” William Whomever-peare and pure enjoyment of his Platonic “Vision of Eros,” to make our case for elegant poetry, and against gossipy fiction.

Critics complain that TV is killing literature, but so-called literary fiction has been killing literature long before the boob tube arrived.  I Love Lucy didn’t make us stupid.  Henry James did.

The poets of Modernism can be divided into the car-salesmen and those who really were brilliant.

E.E. Cummings, William Carlos Williams, Ezra Pound, and most of their followers, for instance, are merely car salesmen

T.S. Eliot, Chrisopher Isherwood, and W.H. Auden were brilliant and talented men, and others in their circle, like Aldous Huxley and Bertrand Russell, were consciously involved in politics and cultural change.  The British Empire, which was at its height in 1914, groomed its poets for active work; the poet as soldier has a long tradition in Britain, from Sir Walter Raleigh and Sir Philip Sidney to the Cambridge Apostles and Auden’s friend, Sir Stephen Spender, member of the Communist Party and an editor for thirteen years of a magazine secretly funded by the CIA. Nothing like the British poet-spy hybrid has ever existed in America, except, perhaps, for the mysterious Mr. Poe (was he in Paris, was he in St. Petersburg, was he murdered, or not?) and the hybrid practice is hardly on the more plain and practical Americans’ radar screen.

Auden’s insistence, then, that “artists” and “men of action” are two separate creatures—is this a ploy by this world-traveling, transatlantic citizen, once rumored to be part of Kim Philby’s Soviet spy ring?  Emerson, in “The Poet,” goes a long way in establishing this distinction when he calls the Poet a “Sayer” as opposed to the “Knower” and the Doer.”  “Criticism is infested with a cant of materialism, which assumes that manual skill and activity is the first merit of all men,” Emerson says sourly, establishing his pedantic categories. But these fine distinctions Auden and Emerson make are finally a bunch of hogwash: Emerson and Auden would have us believe that Hitler’s speeches had nothing to do with Hitler’s guns, that the material state of our poetry has nothing to do with the material state of our state.

Auden’s poetry was first accepted and published by T.S Eliot, at Faber.  Auden is not considered a genuine modernist; Auden’s poetry rhymes, and he has a marked sympathy for great writers of the past, so on the surface, at least, Auden seems to run counter to the Futurism of Pound, the anti-Romantic animus of Eliot, and experimental modernism, in general.

But Auden could not have been part of this influential, Modernist clique without having some share of the characteristics of that clique, and never mind that Auden chose Ashbery for the Yale Younger, and also Merwin–who attended one of the earliest Poetry Workshops at Princeton—set up by Allen Tate, the leader of the American wing of Eliot and Pound’s European Modernist clique.  Yes, in case you didn’t get it, we’re talking about a clique. 

OK, so talented people get to know each other and help each other out.  What else is new?

Associations, purely in themselves, justify an historical interest, but there’s more involved.   It’s not rocket science.  We need to know two things; first: we need to read the clique members in question, and second, we need to ask: What is Modernism?

Scarriet has already done a lot of work investigating the writings and prejudices of leading Modernists like Pound and Eliot, who were notoriously anti-Romantic and anti-populist.  But for the second question, the art critic and poet Charles Baudelaire (because Anglo-American High Modernism originated in the middle of the 19th century, and mainly in France) will be a great help.

The world—and even the world of artists—is full of people who can go to the Louvre, walk rapidly, without so much as a glance, past two rows of very interesting, though secondary, pictures, to come to a rapturous halt in front of a Titian or a Raphael—one of those that have been most popularized by the engraver’s art; then they will go home happy, not a few saying to themselves, ‘I know my Museum.’ Just as there are people who, having once read Bousset and Racine, fancy that they have mastered the history of literature.

Fortunately from time to time there come forward righters of wrong, critics, amateurs, curious enquirers, to declare that Raphael, or Racine, does not contain the whole secret, and that the minor poets too have something good, solid and delightful to offer; and finally that however much we may love general beauty, as it is expressed by classical poets and artists, we are no less wrong to neglect particular beauty, the beauty of circumstance and the sketch of manners.

In this brief excerpt from Baudelaire’s The Painter of Modern Life (1863), we see American Modernist poetry of the 20th century and all the steps which led to it, in total.

1) we see the spirit of the England’s pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood—Baudelaire even refers to Raphael—with its narrow, cult-like, manifesto-ism, 2) the misanthropic spleen aimed at middle-class people who go to museums and are moved by great paintings of the past, 3) the appeal to the “minor poets” (for what is Modernism if not a great hierarchy of minor poets?) and their 4) “particular beauty” (as if major poets have no “particular beauty!”) and 5) “circumstance” (what is Modernism but fragments blown by the winds of circumstance?) and 6) “the sketch of manners.”  As if great artists and poets from the past do not give us “manners!”  Hogarth, anyone?  “The Rape of the Lock?”  But here is Baudelaire busily doing what Pound, Eliot, and their followers will do over the next 100, 150 years, up to our present day: 1) A blanket, or crudely selective, rejection of the glories of the past, especially the 18th century, and the early 19th century, while celebrating the ephemera of “particular beauty” among friends and minor contemporaries. 2) A manifesto-ist misanthropy, 3) A hatred of the lower classes, and their middle class tastes and aspirations.

Fortunately from time to time there come forward righters of wrong, critics, amateurs, curious enquirers, to declare that Raphael, or Racine, does not contain the whole secret, and that the minor poets too have something good, solid and delightful to offer.  The Modernists always protested too much.

One more note: 4) A crucial geopolitical fact emerged with the origins of Modernism: the alliance of former enemies Great Britain and France; these two new friends fed each other’s decadence, and discovered together a certain imperial animus towards Germany, Russia, and the United States.  The problems the U.S. had with Britain and France during their mid-19th century, Civil War-era of is a much neglected subject.

But back to Auden and Shakespeare’s Sonnets. We would expect, then, that T.S. Eliot-annointed Auden, would tend to be anti-Shakespeare, as this is the calling card for every Modernist: Celebrate obscure minor artists while knocking down the great Past Masters.   Eliot’s attacks on Hamlet, Milton, Poe, and Shelley are well-known; Pound pretty much sneered at every Past Master he possibly could.

So do we find Auden, in his famous 1964 Introduction, attacking Shakespeare, or, at least damning him with faint praise?

We do.

Auden’s first major point is: “it’s good that Shakespeare was anonymous,” a New Critical point (another Modernist calling card, as Eliot and his right-wing American henchman, Ransom, popularized New Criticism).  Here, on the second page of his Introduction, is Auden, the New Critic:

Even the biography of an artist is permissable, provided that the biographer and his readers realize that such an account throws no light whatsoever upon the artist’s work.

Auden, as chummy as he was, could certainly be an ogre when laying down the Party Line: Auden will make it “permissable” to write the biography of an artist, but only if you and I “realize that such an account throws no light whatsover upon the artist’s work.”  Thank you, Mr. Auden.

He defends his crazy idea brilliantly, of course:

The relation between his life and his works is at once and the same time too self-evident to require comment—every work of art is, in one sense, a self-disclosure—and too complicated ever to unravel.  Thus, it is self-evident that Catullus’s love for Lesbia was the experience which inspired his love poems, and that, if either of them had had a different character, the poems would have been different, but no amount of research  into their lives can tell us why Catullus wrote the actual poems he did, instead of an infinite number of similar poems he might have written instead, why, indeed, he wrote any, or why those he did are good.

This is great stuff,  isn’t it?  I’d hire this guy as a subversive for my country in a minute.  This is uncannily good reasoning.  Auden first concedes the field to  the anti-New Critical argument: “every work of art is a self-disclosure,” Auden admits, but Auden’s concession is two-sided: the anti-New Critical position is “self-evident,” but also “too complicated ever to unravel:” if Lesbia had been a little different, then Catullus’s poems to her would have been different—but how?  We don’t know.  And therefore we can’t know anything about the relation between the maker and the made.

But is this true?

And is this true for Poe, who wrote his “Raven” not because he happened to have the hots for some particular person, but because he wanted to demonstrate how a popular poem could be written?  Or, for Shakespeare, whose sonnets contain Platonist philosophy, and not just personal gossip?  We grant that connections between life and art are often tenuous and difficult to trace—but should we close the door on attempts to make connections, on micro, or macro, levels?  To do so seems arbitrary and silly.

Auden then proceeds, “Let us forget all about Shakespeare the man, leave the speculations to the foolish and idle, and consider the sonnets themselves,” and begins his discussion of “the sonnets themselves” rather weakly:

The first thing which is obvious after reading through the one hundred and fifty-four sonnets as we have them, is tha they are not in any kind of planned sequence.  The only semblance of order is a division into two unequal heaps—Sonnets 1 to 126 are addressed to a young man, assuming, which is probable but not certain, that there is only one young man addressed, and Sonnets 127-154 are addressed to a dark-haired woman.  In both heaps, a triangle situation is referred to in which Shakespeare’s friend and his mistress betray him by having an affair together…

Sometimes batches of sonnets occur which clearly belong together—for example, the opening series 1-17, in which the friend is urged to marry, though, even here, 15 seems not to belong, for marriage is not mentioned in it.

In this brief summation, Auden is utterly wrong.  First, how can Auden say there is “no planned sequence” when the first 14 poems pertain to “increase?”  Auden is being obtuse when he replaces “increase” with “marriage.”  Sonnet 15 does fit, even though it doesn’t refer to “marriage,” for, as we see in its final couplet, “And, all in war with Time for love of you,/As he takes from you, I engraft you new.”  The first 14 poems celebrate “increase” of the flesh.  154 (the number of The Sonnets) is divisible by 14.  Sonnet 15 marks a shift in the theme. With Sonnet 15, immortality is bought not by having children, but by making poems.  Auden saying Sonnet 15 doesn’t fit because it doesn’t mention “marriage” is ludicrous.

Auden is also wrong to assert that every poem in the first 126 are “addressed to a young man (or men),” since the great majority of the first 126 poems are genderless.  Nor are the final 28 poems all addressed to “a dark-haired woman.”  Scolding others for being biographically “foolish,” Auden falls into the same error himself, making all sorts of biographical assumptions.  Auden does have the intelligence to say The Sonnets are not precisely carnal in nature, but that doesn’t prevent him from making all sorts of biographical, carnal speculation—flying in the very face of his own principle.

So according to Auden, the sonnets have no order.

Auden’s second point is that they are “extremely uneven in poetic value.”  Auden quotes some Wordsworth (who Auden admires) calling the Dark Lady sequence “abominably harsh, obscure, and worthless,” with Wordsworth detailing the “chief faults” of the sonnets as a whole, thus: “sameness, tediousness, quaintness, and elaborate obscurity.”  Imagine William Wordsworth accusing William Shakespeare of “sameness.”  The mind boggles.  Wordsworth is the token Romantic the Modernists tolerate, fearing to look like goons if they hate all the Romantics; Wordsworth has that certain dullness which makes him palatable to good, grey Modernism.  Then Auden lets us know what Walter Savage Landor thought: “not a single one is very admirable.”

Auden himself claims to admire only forty-nine of the sonnets, and quickly adds that Shakespeare did not want any of them published, since they are basically a sweaty-palmed, sexual “confession.”

Auden doesn’t give one shred of evidence why Shakespeare should have been embarrassed by these poems—Auden’s theory is founded on the very type of speculation he condemns as “foolish” and “idle” and “vulgar.”

Auden then makes a few scattered formal and rhetorical observations, praising Shakespeare’s skill, citing a few isolated passages, and concludes the essay by putting the Sonnets in a Platonist milieu—the beloved’s “beauty” can belong to the flesh (bad) or to character (good) and loving the beloved unconditionally is the sonnet’s most important trope.  Auden is sure the Sonnets grew out of visionary dream, in which Shakespeare fell into a kind of trance which made him somewhat mad.  Auden wants to turn Shakespeare into a puritanical, visionary, passionate, self-doubting, Catullus. None of it is very convincing, and mostly because Auden can’t stop himself from investing the Sonnets with unfounded and crude, biographical and fictional elaborations:

The story of the sonnets seems to me to be the story of an agonized struggle by Shakespeare to preserve the glory of the vision he had been granted in a relationship, lasting at least three years, with a person who seemed intent by his actions upon covering the vision with dirt.

As outsiders, the impression we get of his friend is one of a young man who was not really very nice, very conscious of his good looks, able to switch on the charm at any moment, but essentially frivolous, cold-hearted, and self-centered, aware, probably, that he had some power over Shakespeare—if he thought about it at all, no doubt he gave it a cynical explanation—but with no conception of the intensity of the feelings he had, unwittingly, aroused.

In other words, according to Auden—who condemns any historical speculation regarding Pembroke or Southampton—Shakespeare was in love with Auden’s boyfriend, Chester Kallman, and had thoughts of marrying Chester, except, that is, when he was being distracted by a dark-haired woman—who also liked Chester.

Auden ends his Introduction with a long, irrelevant passage from The Two Noble Kinsmen—a passage scholars cannot even be sure was written by Shakespeare Evidently, the publishers were howling for Auden to finish his Introduction, and, drunk on Pinot Noir, he quickly did.

Reading the Sonnets with Auden’s “story” in mind, a reader will quickly be disappointed, for there’s no “story” at all in the Sonnets.  It’s a far more sophisticated document than that.

69 Comments

    • thomasbrady said,

      July 22, 2011 at 5:13 pm

      Thanks, Gary.

      That’s a very lively essay—unfortunately written by a brain-dead modernist.

      I like the writer’s assumption that a whole era’s poetry not written by T.S. Eliot, Marianne Moore, Ezra Pound, or Wallace Stevens was “dreck”—simply because it had the impertinencee to rhyme.

      The author asks: Why rhyme? But rhyme doesn’t work without rhythm; so rhyme really is an extension of rhythm; rhyme belongs to rhythm, and even a free-verser doesn’t admit to giving up on rhythm, and free versers even brag about how ‘complex’ their rhythm is—so why, then, should the free-versers deny rhyme’s place—when rhyme is only one of the tools of rhythm?

      I find this excerpt absolutely delightful:

      In summer when the days are hot
      The subway is delayed a lot;
      In winter, quite the selfsame thing;
      In autumn also, and in spring.

      And does it not seem strange to you
      That transportation is askew
      In this–I pray, restrain your mirth!–
      In this, the Greatest Town on Earth?

      –F.P. Adams

      Only an ass would think Pound is somehow superior to this, simply because Pound does NOT rhyme.

      Tom

  1. Bill said,

    July 22, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    A good and persuasive piece of iconoclasm. You and Winters both deliver the goods on Modernist pretences.

    Pound, when he is better than Mr. Adams, is not better because he doesn’t rhyme but because of the skillful integration of rhythm, diction, sound, etc. And he does rhyme well, too.

    I like what Winters said about the Cantos. Because the poet’s voice is based on conversation, it lacks range.

    • thomasbrady said,

      July 23, 2011 at 4:48 pm

      Bill,

      My point isn’t that Pound never rhymes well. Pound tried every tact to get known: rhyming, essaying, free-versing, editng, living in London, living in Italy, getting to know this person, that person, but the sum of him was bad on several levels. Line for line, Pound can’t hold up against good poets. Notoriety (and overrated ‘experimentation’) is everything in modernist poetry, good poetry, almost nothing.

      It was interesting that no one, on that blog Gary linked, challenged the author. I did.

      Tom

      • Bill said,

        July 26, 2011 at 10:31 pm

        If you took only Pound’s best lines, he would rank pretty high. Too bad Eliot did not return the favor Pound did him by editing the Waste Land.

  2. July 24, 2011 at 3:28 am

    Tom:

    I have read your responses to Curtis Faville’s post about rhyme. Of particular interest was the comment by ‘ 1000 Names of Vishnu’ who said:

    “Scarriet’s correct insofar that Poe’s verse however…lyrical it may be at times , in soundgarden speak, outshines a boxcar worth of modernist decorative horsecrap (Pound included–excepting perhaps those copacetic Dantean sections of the Cantos).

    Annabel Lee–like quite more splendid than anything WC Williams ever squeaked, or the beatbums”

    I wonder if you are aware that when the eminent ‘Language’ poet Charles Bernstein’s talented daughter Emma Bee committed suicide a few years ago a version of Annabel Lee by Poe was part of the eulogy. Even the ‘moderns’ can not deny what is timeless and great.

    • thomasbrady said,

      July 24, 2011 at 4:01 pm

      Gary,

      The meaning of Poe goes further and deeper than some 19th century writer against whom Modernists make themselves feel more sophisticated and modern—by rejecting. Thank you for writing her name, for I didn’t know who Emma Bee was: Emma Bee’s glory is copied in the writings of Poe.

      Tom

  3. July 25, 2011 at 8:54 pm

    Auden isn’t truly modern because, in part, he has sympathy for the great writers of the past?

    I guess neither is Joyce, because he clearly looked to writers of the past (Homer). Likewise Eliot & Pound. And Eliot also played with Rhyming, so he can’t be modernist either.

    Nor Wilfred Owen, because he rhymed. Likewise the French poet Jule LaForgue.

    And Yeats… no way is he modern.

    But they all are modern/ist. Unless you want to completely redefine what modernism is as whatever you want it to be (as opposed to a broad and flexible definition, but with some generally accepted guidelines and timelines that definitely include Eliot, Pound, and Yeats) in which case I’d like to define Victorian poetry as 14th century poems about ducks having sex and also the complete works of Anselm Berrigan.

    • thomasbrady said,

      July 26, 2011 at 6:03 pm

      Coffee,

      James Joyce is to Homer as “Roll Over Beethoven” is to Beethoven.

      Tom

      • thomasbrady said,

        July 26, 2011 at 9:32 pm

        Coffee, just to elaborate a little more with my response:

        First, you misquoted me. I never said Auden wasn’t “truly modern.” Here’s what I said:

        “Auden is not considered a genuine modernist; Auden’s poetry rhymes, and he has a marked sympathy for great writers of the past, so on the surface, at least, Auden seems to run counter to the Futurism of Pound, the anti-Romantic animus of Eliot, and experimental modernism, in general.”

        I should explain: When I say “modernist,” I don’t mean modern, in the general definition of the word. By “modernist,” I refer to that very specific band of influential men and women (mostly men) who have dominated poetry since the early 20th century by various means: criticism, poetry, contacts, associations, favors, actions, etc. Eliot and Pound were notorious for dismissing whole eras of literature, and damning a host of great writers from the past.

        My comment on Auden pertains to his reputation, not whether he was actually modern or not. Yeats attacked Keats. All of them attacked the Romantics. Anyway, I have written about all this, at length, elsewhere.

        Thanks for your comment.

        Tom

      • Bill said,

        July 26, 2011 at 10:43 pm

        Now you go too far. Dubliners are superb stories and Ulysses is one of the greatest literary compositions of the 20th c. As a novel it equals War and Peace and Don Quixote. Read Karl Shapiro’s Essay on Rime for an argument that Ulysses is what modern poetry should be.

        I have my doubts about the merits of all the voices in the second 2/3 of the book–there may be an overbalance of intellect over heart in the foregrounding of means of communication, though the burden of the characters’ lives is never lost–but amazingly the book can carry that imbalance. Bloom, Stephen, Molly–more permanent characters than almost any you can name, up there with Tolstoy’s and Shakespeare’s.

        Not to say that Wyndham Lewis doesn’t score some points in his criticisms of Joyce, a la Winters. You might like his iconoclasm in Time and Western Man and Men Without Art.

  4. thomasbrady said,

    July 27, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    Bill,

    My comment on Joyce was in the context of my rebuttal to Coffee’s claim that the modernists really did love the old writers; it wasn’t meant to be the final word on Joyce, though I confess he hasn’t brought me much pleasure…Portrait of an Artist and the stories I find so-so and I’ve never been able to get into Ulysses, the thread keeps breaking on me, though there’s isolated passages to admire, like Molly’s final monologue…Joyce’s poetry and criticism is pretty scant, so honestly he’s hardly on my radar screen and his fame is largely due to an obscenity case, thanks to Pound and The Little Review and the US P.O. Wyndham Lewis–Hemingway described him as the ugliest human being he ever met…

    Tom

    • Bill said,

      July 27, 2011 at 10:59 pm

      Isn’t this great poety from Ulysses?

      Perfume of embraces all him assailed.

      With hungered breath obscurely, he mutely craved to adore.

      the heaventree of humid, nightblue fruit

      Keep reading Ulysses, I say. Read it as the modernist epic Eliot and Pound couldn’t write, because they did not have his Catholic sense of reality. Read Essay on Rime, it is excellent (only a little about Joyce).

      Still reading Winters. That’s a fat book. Wish I’d read it years ago. Even if he’s wrong about Romantic and Symbolist anti-rationalism, he is right about overvalued accomplishments and overvalued poetic tics. Good appreciations of Stevens, Pound, and Eliot.

      • thomasbrady said,

        July 28, 2011 at 11:53 am

        Bill,

        I’ll look for a good Winters book. I have two of his essays in “Praising It New: Best of New Criticism” ed, Garrick Davis. Winters briefly belonged to the New Critics circle before he became the creative writing boss of the west coast during the Modernist clique’s Program Era coup. Just like all of them, he wasn’t a very good poet himself, and deeply hated on Poe & the Romantics. Jealous creeps is basically what they were. Revelling in their ‘experimental’ ‘manifesto-ist’ ‘modernism’ to hide the bad writing. Others don’t seem to be able to see this pattern. I see it.

        As for that Joyce ‘poetry’ you sampled: in my humble opinion, that’s bombastic and faux-classical, like Pound in his Cantos. The truth of those modernist huxsters will some day be revealed. It’s hard to reject one’s grandparents and great-grandparents, I know. Such hard working people, and they suffered so much.

        Tom

        • Bill said,

          July 29, 2011 at 10:35 pm

          Ha ha, Tom, well said. But you won’t disprove the greatness of Ulysses so easily. Constant brilliant invention and feeling, too. Should be right up your alley, not to mention the bonus of anti-British-imperialism.

          The Winters you want is the Swallow Press Defense of Reason that includes Defense of Reason, Maule’s Curse, Primitivism and Decadence, etc. I don’t have it with me so just take that as an approximate TOC.

          • Nooch said,

            July 29, 2011 at 10:46 pm

            Bill, are you a big fan
            Of Joyce’s bio by Ellmann?

            • Bill said,

              July 30, 2011 at 5:10 pm

              I can’t answer, Nooch, to a surety
              not having read it in maturity.

              • Noochinator said,

                July 30, 2011 at 5:57 pm

                I’ll hafta give it a shot,
                Since it has its share of fandom—
                Ever see the Japanese ad
                That Charles Bronson did for Mandom?

                • Bill said,

                  July 30, 2011 at 6:25 pm

                  I’m speechless, friend, for now.
                  What can I say but, Wow?

                  • thomasbrady said,

                    July 31, 2011 at 11:06 am

                    Perfumes and colognes offend more than cigarette smoke these days. Someone needs to tell these people: your cologne/perfume does not make you smell good or clean—it makes you smell offensive, and it permeates a large space. All you need is a little deodorant, not anti-perspirant, under yr arms. And if you insist on extra scents, please use a tiny amount! Now Mandom, that’s something else entirely…pour that stuff on!!

          • thomasbrady said,

            July 29, 2011 at 11:32 pm

            Joyce is the Irishman that British imperialism chose to be the great Modernist writer—precisely because Joyce presents the Irish as bitter, wanking drunks. Just as Faulkner, who portrays southerners as demented drunks, was pushed forward as the great Southern writer.

            “Perfume of embraces all him assailed.

            With hungered breath obscurely, he mutely craved to adore.

            the heaventree of humid, nightblue fruit”

            reeks of ‘trying to sound poetic’ emptiness. It might pass as 1964 John Lennon making fun of poetry, but that’s it.

            • July 29, 2011 at 11:44 pm

              Erskine Caldwell was a writer
              Anointed by tastemakers
              For highlighting the squalor of
              The Lord God’s little acres.

            • Bill said,

              July 30, 2011 at 5:14 pm

              You’re a hard man, Tom! They would have liked to disdain Joyce, but he was too good, so they canonized him.

  5. July 29, 2011 at 12:26 am

    Tom, you never returned to Curtis Faville’s blog (CompassRoseBooks.blog) for ‘Part II of ‘Meaning and the Structure of Rhyme’, as promised. I could use some help, dude.

    • thomasbrady said,

      July 31, 2011 at 11:09 am

      Gary,

      Good morning.

      Did you see Faville elevated my comment to an addendum to his Part I essay?

      I’m returning the favor with a Scarriet Faville post. Stay tuned.

      Tom

  6. thomasbrady said,

    July 29, 2011 at 11:30 am

    I’m about to reply…had to think of something good…curtis is wrong on so many levels…but it did get me thinking…so good for him…

  7. December 19, 2012 at 9:11 am

    McLuhan vs. Auden,
    Quite a lot of fun—
    Recorded in Toronto
    Way back in ’71:

  8. noochinator said,

    September 16, 2015 at 7:53 pm

    Speaking of Auden, here’s a poem of his that was set to music (remarkably, in a cabaret song) by Benjamin Britten:

    O Tell Me The Truth About Love

    Some say love’s a little boy,
    And some say it’s a bird,
    Some say it makes the world go round,
    Some say that’s absurd,
    And when I asked the man next door,
    Who looked as if he knew,
    His wife got very cross indeed,
    And said it wouldn’t do.

    Does it look like a pair of pyjamas,
    Or the ham in a temperance hotel?
    Does its odour remind one of llamas,
    Or has it a comforting smell?
    Is it prickly to touch as a hedge is,
    Or soft as eiderdown fluff?
    Is it sharp or quite smooth at the edges?
    O tell me the truth about love.

    Our history books refer to it
    In cryptic little notes,
    It’s quite a common topic on
    The Transatlantic boats;
    I’ve found the subject mentioned in
    Accounts of suicides,
    And even seen it scribbled on
    The backs of railway guides.

    Does it howl like a hungry Alsatian,
    Or boom like a military band?
    Could one give a first-rate imitation
    On a saw or a Steinway Grand?
    Is its singing at parties a riot?
    Does it only like Classical stuff?
    Will it stop when one wants to be quiet?
    O tell me the truth about love.

    I looked inside the summer-house;
    It wasn’t even there;
    I tried the Thames at Maidenhead,
    And Brighton’s bracing air.
    I don’t know what the blackbird sang,
    Or what the tulip said;
    But it wasn’t in the chicken-run,
    Or underneath the bed.

    Can it pull extraordinary faces?
    Is it usually sick on a swing?
    Does it spend all its time at the races,
    or fiddling with pieces of string?
    Has it views of its own about money?
    Does it think Patriotism enough?
    Are its stories vulgar but funny?
    O tell me the truth about love.

    When it comes, will it come without warning
    Just as I’m picking my nose?
    Will it knock on my door in the morning,
    Or tread in the bus on my toes?
    Will it come like a change in the weather?
    Will its greeting be courteous or rough?
    Will it alter my life altogether?
    O tell me the truth about love.

    W.H. Auden

    • thomasbrady said,

      September 16, 2015 at 8:16 pm

      Always loved this poem. Auden was quite an influence on me as a young poet.

    • noochinator said,

      January 6, 2016 at 11:03 pm

      Auden set to music, masterfully:

  9. maryangeladouglas said,

    January 6, 2016 at 11:37 pm

    I know it doesn’t make any difference to W.H. Auden or anyone else, but I find the poetry of W.H. Auden anathema: a fountainhead of thinly disguised bitterness and spite and intellectual arrogance polished to a fare thee well. He was in my opinion the last person who should have written an elegy on the lyrical poet W.B. Yeats to whom he was bizarrely compared by some. Bankrupt. bankrupt. bankrupt. crown of emptiness. Joseph Brodsky worshipped him too and I have the exact feeling about Brodsky’s poetry though I like his essays very much, most of them. and the way in every single interview he always said “etc. etc. at some point, You could count on it.

    • noochinator said,

      January 7, 2016 at 9:46 am

      I’m a big fan of Auden for the above-linked song, as well as for the libretto for the opera Paul Bunyan (also set to music by Britten)—stunning use of language! And I like this one too:

      Moon Landing

      It’s natural the Boys should whoop it up for
      so huge a phallic triumph, an adventure
      it would not have occurred to women
      to think worth while, made possible only

      because we like huddling in gangs and knowing
      the exact time: yes, our sex may in fairness
      hurrah the deed, although the motives
      that primed it were somewhat less than menschlich.

      A grand gesture. But what does it period?
      What does it osse? We were always adroiter
      with objects than lives, and more facile
      at courage than kindness: from the moment

      the first flint was flaked this landing was merely
      a matter of time. But our selves, like Adam’s,
      still don’t fit us exactly, modern
      only in this — our lack of decorum.

      Homer’s heroes were certainly no braver
      than our Trio, but more fortunate: Hector
      was excused the insult of having
      his valor covered by television.

      Worth going to see? I can well believe it.
      Worth seeing? Mneh! I once rode through a desert
      and was not charmed: give me a watered
      lively garden, remote from blatherers

      about the New, the von Brauns and their ilk, where
      on August mornings I can count the morning
      glories, where to die has a meaning,
      and no engine can shift my perspective.

      Unsmudged, thank God, my Moon still queens the Heavens
      as She ebbs and fulls, a Presence to glop at,
      Her Old Man, made of grit not protein,
      still visits my Austrian several

      with His old detachment, and the old warnings
      still have power to scare me: Hybris comes to
      an ugly finish, Irreverence
      is a greater oaf than Superstition.

      Our apparatniks will continue making
      the usual squalid mess called History:
      all we can pray for is that artists,
      chefs and saints may still appear to blithe it.

      August 1969

      W. H. Auden

  10. maryangeladouglas said,

    January 7, 2016 at 11:53 am

    HOW WOULD I SAIL WITH YOU, CLOSE READERS OF THE TEXT

    “Red Rose, proud Rose, sad Rose of all my days! ”
    -William Butler Yeats, To The Rose Upon The Rood Of Time

    forgetting the seam between star and star,
    remember radiance! I cried to the wall,
    but I was forgotten, though ridden with brightness;

    never in love with the particles. judged by those who were
    ripping apart with jeweled propensity, lenses:
    the wing from the flights

    till the larks cry out
    and not with music.

    praised, the destroyers

    relentless Forever

    the parters of waves from each other.
    the fizzlers of fusion
    roaring at starlight,

    and amber crests of song.

    strange mariners, you do wrong
    the diamond Light;
    how would I sail with you?

    plucking the rose from the rose;

    blow torching the snows-
    cocksure not to know
    the rose as Whole and visionary.

    the Soul as merely, wonder.
    focused on plunder.

    mary angela douglas 6 january 2016

  11. thomasbrady said,

    January 8, 2016 at 1:03 pm

    Mary,

    I have always loved Auden’s poetry, crazily almost.

    But you are right. He can be preachy and know it all-ish in a sort of pompous and annoying way at times. He did have an “in” with British spy life.

    “forgetting the seam between star and star” “the larks cry out/and not with music” You are on fire! Amazing.

    • maryangeladouglas said,

      January 8, 2016 at 2:20 pm

      I was maybe a little excessive (I usually am; I do remember greatly loving one or two of his poems and I can sense he deeply cared about Poetry. I just feel (the same way I feel about John Crowe Ransom) that something was there as a remnant but it could have been, it should have been so much more; in both cases, they strangled something in themselves that would have made them truly great poets and I react to the strangulation with the bitterness of what could have been and of their appalling influence ever after.

      I just finished the poem below which really expresses at least the best I can this kind of disappointment with what happened (which for me began in full after Yeats died) but probably began in part while he was still alive. (I mean in English poetry, generally)

      And yet Auden loved the poetry of Yeats and also of Walter De La Mare. My poem (following poem) is also about (in my opinion) what happened in Irish poetry after Yeats died. I read a column in a respected magazine the other day where a young girl (writer) actually used the word ‘brutal’ in describing Yeats last poems. I can’t imagine a greater misreading. It almost made me despair (except I strongly disbelieve in despair as a solution or even temporary reaction).

      AFTER YEATS

      they will pluck out dry sticks in the wind
      and call it “poetry” and rip from head to foot
      his rose garment

      tuned to the living stream.
      but some who knew him, will, I pray-
      hoard his Spring believing it:

      all of one piece;
      even in muted greens. and the

      violet sea receding never
      since love did not nor the dream of it.
      and I will ask them, however indirectly I may,

      what was is it you would say in his face
      coming after, marring the Heaven of speech

      with your dry sticks rattling;
      incapable of swans and o
      it is due to you all swans

      are gone!
      leaving little trace
      so that you can run your race in

      a comfortable breakfast nook.
      do not look at me
      when all spells are broken,

      insulting past music and music
      swerves from you then, appalled, to the high towers, still.
      behold his revenant on the far hills and

      tie this with a lover’s knot;and rilled,

      a jeweled inquisition and permanent as stone;
      this, your extradition from strange countries grown.
      you, who have almost erased him,

      moving from dimness to lauded dimness.
      beyond the inimitable twilight of a singularBeauty.
      you haven’t even a shot-

      whenever you are whoever you are
      getting up to read in the cafe cynical-
      what exactly, have you got

      mary angela douglas 8 january 2016

      • maryangeladouglas said,

        January 8, 2016 at 5:36 pm

        should read “what was it you would say in his face” not “what was is it you would say in his face” please thomas graves, can you fix this when (if) you read this? thank you. and thanks for keeping Scarriet (and yourself) alive. deep thanks is due.

        what was is = is a reassuring phrase in this case though.

  12. maryangeladouglas said,

    January 8, 2016 at 2:37 pm

    I also recognize (though it doesn’t sound like it I know) that every poem and poet is encoded with its (his or her) own peculiar register and frame of reference and each person responds to it based on their own (register, frame of reference). In this way I can be completely perhaps deaf to a quality in Auden or Brodsky or whoever because the spectrum I perceive just doesn’t even have those colours in it. And vice versa. I did love the poem about Bruegel’s (not sure os spelling) painting of Icarus even though it was in every anthology from here to kingdom come. And in his elegy on Yeats I did feel he was grieved.

  13. noochinator said,

    January 9, 2016 at 11:29 am

    THE UNKNOWN CITIZEN
    (To JS/07/M/378 This Marble Monument Is Erected by the State)

    He was found by the Bureau of Statistics to be
    One against whom there was no official complaint,
    And all the reports on his conduct agree
    That, in the modern sense of an old-fashioned word, he was a
    saint,
    For in everything he did he served the Greater Community.
    Except for the War till the day he retired
    He worked in a factory and never got fired,
    But satisfied his employers, Fudge Motors Inc.
    Yet he wasn’t a scab or odd in his views,
    For his Union reports that he paid his dues,
    (Our report on his Union shows it was sound)
    And our Social Psychology workers found
    That he was popular with his mates and liked a drink.
    The Press are convinced that he bought a paper every day
    And that his reactions to advertisements were normal in every
    way.
    Policies taken out in his name prove that he was fully insured,
    And his Health-card shows he was once in hospital but left it
    cured.
    Both Producers Research and High-Grade Living declare
    He was fully sensible to the advantages of the Installment Plan
    And had everything necessary to the Modern Man,
    A phonograph, a radio, a car and a frigidaire.
    Our researchers into Public Opinion are content
    That he held the proper opinions for the time of year;
    When there was peace, he was for peace: when there was war,
    he went.
    He was married and added five children to the population,
    Which our Eugenist says was the right number for a parent of
    his generation.
    And our teachers report that he never interfered with their
    education.
    Was he free? Was he happy? The question is absurd:
    Had anything been wrong, we should certainly have heard.

    W.H. Auden

    • maryangeladouglas said,

      January 9, 2016 at 6:54 pm

      Tis an unwieldy kite of a poem weighed down with a multitude of bricks so that it seems unbelievable that it’s flying it all but it lands well in the last two lines. For some weird reason I kept hearing Edwin Arlington Robinson’s poem (and Paul Simon’s song after it) “Richard Cory” as I was reading it. Maybe, in counterpoint, as that poem is from the opposite end of the social scale.

      I think Robinson is wonderful and a very neglected poet. When I really think about it I’ve haven’t read much Auden at all so perhaps what I said earlier was unfair.

      Every poet has his or her own kingdom and while visiting maybe it’s best to be sensitive to the rules of that kingdom (as much as you can make head or tail of them) and not expect it to be what it is not.

      And to give someone a fair hearing you probably should try to read as much as you can of their work. And maybe I would feel differently about Auden’s essays and understand through them more why he wrote his poetry the way he did, with that kind of dryness. The subject matter in this poem, though, certainly does require dryness.

      Maybe the “bricks” are there because of the heaviness of writing from the POV of the self assured statistic gatherers. and maybe I don’t know anything at all about anything and maybe I don’t even care that I don’t. I’m just glad to be on earth reading poetry and blabbing happily about it here or there. Or not.

  14. thomasbrady said,

    January 9, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    Auden trashes Poe’s advice that a successful poem should have an undercurrent of meaning—Auden has no problem coming out and telling you exactly what he thinks in a rather heavy-handed manner; in both poems above: 1. to hell with moon landings, “give me a watered lively garden…where to die has a meaning…” 2. “Was he free?” “Was he happy?”

    He uses “meaning”, “free”, and “happy” in a preachy manner. Still interesting, though…

    I prefer his dramatic ballads…

  15. maryangeladouglas said,

    January 9, 2016 at 11:18 pm

    I’ll look into that but not as into a mirror.

    • maryangeladouglas said,

      January 9, 2016 at 11:19 pm

      I mean that he’s murky;not, that I’m vain.

  16. noochinator said,

    January 10, 2016 at 12:12 pm

    This should cut through some of the murkiness!

  17. thomasbrady said,

    January 10, 2016 at 1:33 pm

    Mary and Nooch. You are all I need!

    • maryangeladouglas said,

      January 10, 2016 at 1:38 pm

      Nice sentiments. Music is a world to itself. When I sense murkiness though I just want to turn around and get out of it. Bound to be a swamp in there somewhere, or quicksand and out walking no matter where, I have a tendency to “find” every mole hole in the county as it is. I like to walk where you can see where you’re going. (But a light mist is fine).

      • maryangeladouglas said,

        January 10, 2016 at 1:40 pm

        Mr. Graves very lovely song with intricate modulation on your FB page the one for the rainy day on Shakespeare. Excellent. And creating peace in the listener and not in a Muzak way. Remember Muzak? I hate to admit I liked Muzak. It cut through the murk in awful jobs.

        • maryangeladouglas said,

          January 10, 2016 at 1:41 pm

          Maybe cut is too strong a word to use concerning Muzak. It was chirpy and chirpy can be a friend in murk. A friend in murk is not a jerk.

          • maryangeladouglas said,

            January 10, 2016 at 1:53 pm

            haha. I very much like the excessively chirpy music clip above. which says something about my personality I guess. it out Disney’s Disney (the little birds who always came to help). Chirp. Chirpity. (Chirp)…

        • Andrew said,

          January 10, 2016 at 7:25 pm

          John Lennon preferred Muzak in his later years…

          • maryangeladouglas said,

            January 10, 2016 at 7:59 pm

            I know that the opposite is demonstrably true. I guess you are in your semi-ironic mode again thinking I won’t know the dif. But it’s your tone of voice you get to choose, whenever you like so yay free speech.

            • Andrew said,

              January 10, 2016 at 8:23 pm

              No – seriously. I read it in an interview with him shortly before he was killed.
              I was not trying to be ironic but relevant.

  18. maryangeladouglas said,

    January 10, 2016 at 2:06 pm

    I have lost the ability to use apostrophes. I will probably lose my apostrophe license soon and very soon. still, chirp.

  19. maryangeladouglas said,

    January 10, 2016 at 2:32 pm

    a poem on old essays (why I love them)

    BEAUTIFUL THE ESSAY THAT DOESN’T FADE AWAY

    beautiful the essay that doesn’t fade away
    that picks field flowers in a bright meandering way
    or clouds from a cotton sky

    whatever is nearby
    or far as dreams or ancient gleams
    of what returns on summer days

    or when the winds, the rains rap pleasantly
    at winter panes. because you are inside.

    cast far away from you the present lies
    all that disturbs and clouds the eyes
    with sorrow.

    walk awhile with those beloved ghosts
    who wrote and wrote and wrote
    wherever it would lead

    whole paragraphs of gold
    the page of mead
    and take their lead

    and a few apples with you
    cheese and bread
    and listen for the magic

    that was said.

    mary angela douglas 10 january 2016

    P.S. of course, toward the bread and cheese part of the poem the rain has cleared out. otherwise the next poem is going to be about the advantages of mud.

  20. thomasbrady said,

    January 10, 2016 at 8:58 pm

    Lennon did say Paul was “Muzak to my ears” in his 1971 “How Do You Sleep” release (with George on guitar and Ringo, perhaps, on drums).

    John did reject much of his old rock life at certain moments in the 70s. I’m sure there’s a quote somewhere with John saying he preferred Muzak…He was feeling anti-Beatle even during the Beatles. He felt old at 24 when the Beatles first made it big. Well, Peter Noone was 16 when singing hits for Herman’s Hermits.

    Lennon is quite a fire-starter for rich debate on various levels. Who was this guy? Mean, nice? He was everything, I think. A better artist for being slightly mad….

    • maryangeladouglas said,

      January 10, 2016 at 9:13 pm

      The song you mention appears to me to be Lennon poking fun at McCartney’s lyricism (perhaps out of envy?). Thus the Muzak reference in that song is an insult. I could be wrong but that’s how it sounds to me.

      • thomasbrady said,

        January 11, 2016 at 12:15 pm

        Agreed, Mary. I’m not saying Lennon loved Muzac. That was Lennon’s way of saying Paul’s music was garbage. I think the two hated each other for a while. Love, rivalry, life pressures, differences of opinion spilled over into hate as the Beatles broke up.

    • maryangeladouglas said,

      January 10, 2016 at 9:51 pm

      I think there are more accounts of his {John Lennon’s) meaness than his kindness despite the song ‘Imagine’ etc. It is really an illusion from the pit of hell that a person can be both mean and kind. Though none of us is perfect, eventually you have to choose a side. A general tendency. You can’t be murderous and life affirming. You can’t be a thief and honest. There has to be some kind of core to a person. You can be inconsistent for a while and drift between poles, but sooner or later there is a reckoning of accounts. And the “madness is good for my creativity” stereotype of artists is not helpful; it’s even stigmatizing, and even dangerous. How many aspiring artists have bought into that myth and destroyed themselves. We should have an ideal of artists as the strongest of human beings, the most enduring and there have been some who were, even many who were falsely accused of being mad, were quite sane and only regarded as mad because they lived in an outwardly eccentric manner due to totally dedicating themselves to their own artistic development. It is impossible to believe that Van Gogh was genuinely mad when you read all the letters he wrote to his brother Theo. Incredibly, beautifully lucid, purposeful and bursting with intelligence and an ordered view , his own of art on all levels: philosophically, theologically, imaginatively. But society really loves that so convenient label of the schizophrenic artist. And now dumbed down by pop psychology people just assume the mere mention that you are an artist, poet, writer etc. automatically means you’re “bipolar”. BS.

      That’s my opinion.

      • thomasbrady said,

        January 11, 2016 at 12:24 pm

        Mary,

        Thank you. This is an important thing to say. Yes, at the end of the day you are right.

        I know this is true of Poe. A good man demeaned to suit popular fancy. The good suffer too, of course, but to suffer isn’t to be mean.

        Shelley said poetry was another way to make people good. Poets are more sane. I seem insane because the world’s insane. But then good and bad, nice or mean, is not quite the same as sane or insane.

        • maryangeladouglas said,

          January 11, 2016 at 1:44 pm

          IN FORESTS OF CALCULATED NONSENSE

          in forests of calculated nonsense,
          did Alice dream (eventually):
          things are exceptionally cruel here

          and so, wake herself up by the
          summer’s riverbank?
          or is it kind in the dream, the book,

          but unkind in the waking.
          the puzzle trees breaking
          like porcelain unfortunate at Tea Time

          across the glaced brooks

          and, back on earth, in your own
          room again-
          just as you find in books,

          the same dread things awaken, too?
          this time, meaning it.
          (you know you do, said Alice curtseying)

          the gleam on the White Night’s
          equivocal armour the very same gleam
          bouncing off of the Rose Red Queen’s

          slightly askew, unjustified,
          rubied tiara.

          mary angela douglas 11 january 2016

          • maryangeladouglas said,

            January 11, 2016 at 2:43 pm

            I really do mean it to be White Night and not White Knight (in the poem) for atmospheric (and other) reasons. For one, after Alice in Wonderland woke up I think she still was half there so that she couldn’t spell properly having lost confidence in bizarro land.

            • thomasbrady said,

              January 11, 2016 at 3:18 pm

              Why, when people write fantasy worlds, do they always put so much meanness there?

              Is there any author who worked up a fantasy with nothing but good?

              The heaven of Dante’s Commedia—if you just include heaven.

              More authors should do it, I think,

              Poe did it in his tale, The Domain of Arnheim.

              http://www.eapoe.org/works/tales/arnhmc.htm

              • maryangeladouglas said,

                January 11, 2016 at 4:57 pm

                Why is there meaness in fantasy? Subjectively speaking only I would say in Lewis Caroll’s Alice books: to give Alice the happy chance to say: “You’re nothing but a pack of cards.” To address tyranny and get away with it, and in some cases bypass even the censors in totalitarian countries because it IS a fantasy, just a fantasy with the meaness in it which somehow, the ‘meanies” never see as themselves. My question about The Divine Comedy is why you always see so many people nowadays reading The Inferno and not The Paradiso? Would they read about hell? I don’t get it. For sure they’d rather write about it which I why literature now is so depressing (and film).

              • maryangeladouglas said,

                January 11, 2016 at 5:25 pm

                Thank You, Thomas Graves for the link to the story The Domain of Arnheim; it is truly beautiful and unique and I wonder why it is not more widely quoted. Astonishing. The poetic fragment at the beginning and the way the story leads out from there. The tinge of melancholy, regret and loss mixed with beauty is what I love in Poe. Though this story seems to be about beauty realized (in the mind’s own kingdom), perfectly realized still, Poe being Poe the tinge of melancholy STIll lingers and pervades all the flowers and technically IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISCOVER HOW THIS HAS EVEN HAPPENED as if he found a way even while still on earth to haunt his own stories. Truly weirdly and beautifully puzzling.

  21. thomasbrady said,

    January 10, 2016 at 9:04 pm

    Thank you, Mary. “I went down to the play to hear what Shakespeare would say.” I think I’m creating a new genre: pop/folk/classical. With total listenership at five people. But growing! How odd when I actually enjoy my own miserably crappy recordings. Your encouragement is manna.

    • maryangeladouglas said,

      January 10, 2016 at 9:11 pm

      They’re not crappy. (your recordings or anything you do creatively) They are real. Can’t help but like the “encouragement is manna” concept. It is astonishing to me how prone to discouragement, disparagement our country (and the world is now). Disparagement is definitely NOT manna. Haha. The anti-manna.

  22. thomasbrady said,

    January 11, 2016 at 9:07 pm

    I always wondered that, too, Mary.

    Why is the Inferno so popular compared to the other two books in Dante’s famous work?

    The answer might lie in a very practical fact. As Poe pointed out: he said Paradise Regained is a good as Paradise Lost, but the former work suffers in popularity compared to the latter, simply because readers get tired. They read “Paradise Lost” and don’t have the energy to go on to “Paradise Regained.”

    • maryangeladouglas said,

      January 11, 2016 at 9:22 pm

      I think my question was more why, given a choice, do people prefer to read The Inferno INSTEAD of The PARADISO and there is truly a difference between Milton and Dante’s version as you know. Even in bookstores for a long time I would see paperbacks of the Inferno all over the place but not one copy of the Paradiso, so it wasn’t just the readers. The question to me really is: why do people seem on the whole to prefer darkness to light? I do agree it takes a lot of energy to read Milton’s longer poems, they are so dense.

      On Poe again, I have another question, when you have time or feel inclined to answer. Last week I was looking through a book of Poe’s critical, literary essays and I found one where he was really severely blasting Coleridge. Why did he dislike him or his work so much? Was Coleridge a critic of Poe’s? I never imagined Colerige criticizing anyone overly. Did Coleridge work against Poe like as you often point out, Emerson did? Or was it just a difference in style.

      • thomasbrady said,

        January 11, 2016 at 10:12 pm

        Poe felt, like some others, that Coleridge wasted a great deal of his talent in great laborious projects and procrastination.

        I think there is a political angle, too. Poe, through his contacts with Winfield Scott and Joseph Kennedy, Sec. of Navy, had a patriotic American view of things and he did not trust the British Empire, the East India Company (a Coleridge connection), etc. Poe died in 1849; the British Empire was still a threat to American independence and happiness then—we forget that, now that England is our ally. Poe’s grandfather was a quarter master general in the Revolution, a friend of Lafayette’s. Poe belongs to that world of U.S./French/Russian friendship versus the mighty British Empire, still eager to take back her colonies. Poe liked to thumb his nose at many things British.

  23. maryangeladouglas said,

    January 11, 2016 at 10:34 pm

    I guess what I really wonder is did Poe have something in his nature that caused him to lash out at other people without provocation, because if he did, it would seem likely he died a violent death at the hands of others. not meaning Coleridge when I say this, as despite his smaller literary output (which I don’t see was a thing Poe needed to concern himself with, really), he seems by contrast, a rather gentle person. The book I read stated that Poe often wrote reviews both at the same time praising and castigating writers, a thing which caused even Elizabeth Barrett Browning to wonder at the confusion caused by this in the reader, as (in her case) she said she couldn’t distinguish in what he wrote of her work, whether he was friend or foe. I still share your enthusiasm and wonder at Poe and am very grateful for your dedication to his work and exposition of it, I’m just asking these things to try to get a different angle on it and you do have hard won authority on this subject (and others) surely.


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