WHAT WE FEEL AND WHAT WE SAY

What we feel and what we say
Are so different, the way
To know which way I am leaning
Is to heed carefully my poem’s meaning
Because poetry, written on the page
Is helpless to show my tears and rage.

My feelings have nothing to do with speech—
Which has a mental agility feelings cannot reach.
So you and I must agree
To not look for feelings in my poetry.
Just listen to me very carefully:
I love you. I’m trapped. In this poem. Help me.

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37 Comments

  1. Andrew said,

    February 27, 2016 at 12:47 am

    2HB

    Oh I was moved by your screen dream
    Celluloid pictures of living
    Your death could not kill our love for you
    Take two people, romantic
    Smoky nightclub situation
    Your cigarette traces a ladder
    Here’s looking at you kid
    Celebrate years
    Here’s looking at you kid
    Wipe away tears
    Long time, since we’re together
    Now I hope it’s forever
    Ideal love flies away now
    White jacket, mmm, black tie wings too
    You gave her away to the hero
    Words don’t express my meaning
    Notes could not spell out the score
    But finding not keeping’s the lesson
    Here’s looking at you kid
    Hard to forget
    Here’s looking at you kid
    At least not yet
    Your memory stays
    It lingers ever
    Will fade away never

    [Bryan Ferry/Roxy 1972]

  2. Andrew said,

    February 27, 2016 at 12:50 am

  3. thomasbrady said,

    February 27, 2016 at 1:58 pm

    I never got into Roxy Music. Compared to groups like Doors, Stones, Beatles, they sound amelodic, almost atonal. Self-indulgent, pretentious. I never could understand those who persisted in liking minor acts like they were something special—when they just basically sucked. I used to think, was it me? Nope. I just think there’s a lot of people who just have no taste. No ear. They don’t even know what a melody is. I took it for granted everyone could appreciate melody. Now I’m not so sure. Appreciating melody might be like being able to appreciate a thought, to think. How to explain all the people who don’t like Mozart, for instance?

    • noochinator said,

      February 27, 2016 at 2:07 pm

      ‘Siren’ is a good album — “Whirlwind” and “Both Ends Burning” are good songs….

      • thomasbrady said,

        February 27, 2016 at 2:46 pm

        Who’s singing? He’s awful. The descending bass line is catchy, but not original…everything about the song is a train wreck of cliché. Now listen to While My Guitar Gently Weeps or It’s All Too Much or Satisfaction or Light My Fire and then tell me you like “Both Ends Burning.”

  4. thomasbrady said,

    February 27, 2016 at 2:50 pm

    Doors, Beatles, Stones throw-always are better than Roxy Music. There are musicians and then there are musicians.

  5. Andrew said,

    February 27, 2016 at 5:35 pm

    Well I most definitely disagree.
    I’m surprised you dislike Roxy M, Tom.
    Your songs above made me think of them.
    I love Doors Beatles, Stones, the songs you mention in your music posts, whether hits, throw-aways or even throw-ALways…
    but I appreciate Roxy as much and more.

    We share the enjoyment of many groups/songs but on this one we are at extremes.

    Do you actually know their work? I posted this because of HB pic. it is not representative of their totality.

    I see Bryan Ferry as a poet and troubador of our age. You don’t?

    Nooch – I LOVE Siren. Every single song. Can’t go wrong with Roxy ☺

  6. Andrew said,

    February 27, 2016 at 10:09 pm

    [minor acts like they were something special—when they just basically sucked. ]

    My goodness. This is a rather glib dismissal of what any Rockologist must acknowledge was one of the most interesting, and influential bands of the 1970’s.Even at the level of fashion and lyric-crafting they were and are superb. Are they the Beatles or Doors? No. They are ROXY MUSIC.

    All hail Roxy Music, true poetry and immortal Rock’n’Roll conjoined forevermore. Bryan declaims his heartfelt and holy verses
    here in 1974:

    And they have aged very well indeed —
    Can you imagine getting a live show together like this 40 years after your zenith? With sexy dancers and a packed house? Come on Tom. Billy Collins can’t do this. Even Edgar Allan Poe could not do this. Sorry.(same song more than 30 years later):

  7. Andrew said,

    February 27, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    Text of the song (humbly submitted for the most erudite perusal of fellow suitors & lovers of Our Lady Scarriet:

    Turn the lights down
    Way down low
    Turn up the music
    Hi as fi can go
    All the gang’s here
    Everyone you know
    It’s a crazy scene
    Hey there just look over your shoulder
    Get the picture’
    No no no no …….(Yes)
    Walk a tightrope
    Your life-sign-line
    Such a bright hope
    Right place, right time
    What’s your number’
    Never you mind
    Take a powder
    But hang on a minute what’s coming round the corner’
    Have you a future’
    No no no no …….(Yes)
    Well I’ve been up all night again
    Party-time wasting is too much fun
    Then I step back thinking
    Of life’s inner meaning
    And my latest fling
    It’s the same old story
    All love and glory
    It’s a pantomime
    If you’re looking for love
    In a looking glass world
    It’s pretty hard to find
    Oh mother of pearl
    I wouldn’t trade you
    For another girl
    Divine intervention
    Always my intention
    So I take my time
    I’ve been looking for something
    I’ve always wanted
    But was never mine
    But now I’ve seen that something
    Just out of reach – glowing –
    Very Holy grail
    Oh mother of pearl
    Lustrous lady
    Of a sacred world
    Thus: even Zarathustra
    Another-time-loser
    Could believe in you
    With every goddess a let down
    Every idol a bring down
    It gets you down
    But the search for perfection
    Your own predilection
    Goes on and on and on and on
    Canadian Club love
    A place in the Country
    Everyone’s ideal
    But you are my favorita
    And a place in your heart dear
    Makes me feel more real
    Oh mother of pearl
    I wouldn’t change you
    For the whole world
    You’re highbrow, holy
    With lots of soul
    Melancholy shimmering
    Serpentine sleekness
    Was always my weakness
    Like a simple tune
    But no dilettante
    Filigree fancy
    Beats the plastic you
    Career girl cover
    Exposed and another
    Slips right into-view
    Oh looking for love
    In a looking glass world
    Is pretty hard for you
    Few throwaway kisses
    The boomerang misses
    Spin round and round
    Fall on featherbed quilted
    Faced with silk
    Softly stuffed eider down
    Take refuge in pleasure
    Just give me your future
    We’ll forget your past
    Oh mother of pearl
    Submarine lover
    In a shrinking world
    Oh lonely dreamer
    Your choker provokes
    A picture cameo
    Oh mother of pearl
    So so semi-precious
    In your detached world
    Oh mother of pearl
    I wouldn’t trade you
    For another girl…

  8. thomasbrady said,

    February 27, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    I find them really boring.

    I’ll take Morrison Hotel. Waiting for the Sun. You’ll Never Break This Heart of Stone. For No One.

    Roxy Music sounds like spoken word over noodling instruments. Color by number rock.

    • Andrew said,

      February 27, 2016 at 11:11 pm

      It’s a free country.
      Denigrate Roxy at your own aesthetic risk…

  9. thomasbrady said,

    February 27, 2016 at 10:47 pm

    Nothing against you guys. I forgive you. 😉

    I asked a 20 something today super into music, a singer, etc. She never heard of Roxy Music.

    • Andrew said,

      February 27, 2016 at 11:10 pm

      What do 20-somethings know?

      Besides scrolling on their smartphones…

    • noochinator said,

      February 27, 2016 at 11:33 pm

      She must’ve heard “Love is the Drug.” If not, I fear for the future of our Republic. If you give me her e-mail I’ll send her the link…..

      • thomasbrady said,

        February 28, 2016 at 12:06 am

        She sings opera, classical, but she likes all kinds of music. But she and I were laughing today at the people who think Mozart is not accessible, but rock music is. I’ll mention Love is a Drug to her. It has a nice bass line. The song doesn’t finish well, though. It fizzles after the hook is established. It’s pleasing for a couple of minutes, and then it gets boring. It comes to a corny close. Love is, Love is, the druuuuug! ⁉️🎉🗑📸📺

  10. thomasbrady said,

    February 27, 2016 at 10:56 pm

  11. thomasbrady said,

    February 27, 2016 at 11:45 pm

    I’m not denigrating them. They’re average. They’re okay.

    Listen to Paul casually playing his new composition for George Martin. (For No One)

    Game. Set. Match.

  12. noochinator said,

    February 28, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    This is a good Roxy Music number from around 1980:

    • noochinator said,

      February 28, 2016 at 1:01 pm

      Lyrics below:

      Nothing lasts forever
      Of that I’m sure
      Now you’ve made an offer
      I’ll take some more
      Young loving may be
      Oh so mean
      Will I still survive
      The same old scene?
      In our lighter moments
      precious few
      It’s all that heavy weather
      We’re going through
      When I turn the corner
      I can’t believe
      It’s still the same old movie
      That’s haunting me
      Young loving may be
      Oh so mean
      Trying to revive
      The same old scene
      Young loving may be
      So extreme
      Maybe we should try
      The same old scene

    • Andrew said,

      February 29, 2016 at 1:29 am

      I like the looks of these throw-always !

  13. thomasbrady said,

    February 28, 2016 at 1:33 pm

    When I listen to Roxy Music, I think of a corporate office somewhere and someone saying, “Let’s create boogie music for hipsters, funk for moody, depressed white girls.”

  14. Andrew said,

    February 29, 2016 at 12:00 am

    You utterly do not get Roxy Music.
    And, as a poet, you are without excuse.

    Paul, George, and the boys are wonderful –
    but Roxy are pure poetic yearning made manifest in word, sound, and beauty.It’s OK I forgive you for your lapse in judgement.
    You still have the best poetry blog around…

  15. madblog said,

    February 29, 2016 at 12:28 am

    Wait just one minute! I agree with Andrew. You definitely do not get it.

    Put that aside for a moment: RM is one of the seminal bands of rock music of the early 70’s. Popular and rock music would have been entirely different had they not been there, and an awful lot of the musicians we have since owe a great deal to Bryan Ferry, not only for the music but for style and artistic concepts which he personally brought to the rock table.

    The “corniness”, the “cliché”…BF was trained as an artist during the heyday of London pop culture, and wielded those sensibilities to sometimes ironic, sometimes heartfelt, always cultural-commentary effect. The cliché is on purpose.

    The heartfelt works, as a couple generations of discerning listeners will tell. It’s ART.

  16. madblog said,

    February 29, 2016 at 2:08 pm

    Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry changed the way I experienced music forever. I internalize good music in a fuller way, I think about it more, I have more fun with it. The consequence of that has a downside too–lesser music is more painful to listen to!
    Saw BF live not long ago. Wondered what he would do and realized that he has so much material over 40 + years, that he couldn’t even do a survey in a single concert! So it’s hard to select examples for the uninitiated.

  17. thomasbrady said,

    February 29, 2016 at 4:45 pm

    I guess I should say that I haven’t the slightest interest in “art” rock or “progressive” rock. I’ve been told many times that Frank Zappa is a genius, and therefore I must appreciate his work. Uh…no.

    A little bit of “ironic bad” to make a point. Well, OK. But if you persist in it, in the name of “art” or “progress,” then my patience is gone.

    Ferry seems stiff, self-conscious, and untalented. Give me Ferry ‘cross the Mersey.

  18. thomasbrady said,

    February 29, 2016 at 4:50 pm

    I might add that Talking Heads and Lady Gaga to me is like fingers across a blackboard.

    • noochinator said,

      February 29, 2016 at 10:41 pm

      Talking Heads’ Fear of Music is a great album — the key to it (I think!) is that every song is from the perspective of someone who is kinda crazy:

  19. madblog said,

    February 29, 2016 at 8:36 pm

    You don’t deserve Roxy Music. 😉

  20. thomasbrady said,

    February 29, 2016 at 10:37 pm

    For me, it comes down to majesty versus noodling.

    Sgt Peppers has majesty, melody, pacing (and a bit of cheekiness silliness and humor. But the music is good.) Taking itself more seriously, but still successful: When the Music’s Over and The End by the Doors. There’s an organic unity. It flows. It’s ‘poetry rock,’ sure, but it doesn’t feel forced, because the poetry and the musicianship are deeply felt and no-nonsense. There wasn’t a lot of thinking and planning. It more or less just miraculously happened because a whole lot of things came together.

    Then…there’s the minor artists who attempt something like this, having heard these masterpieces from the 60s, but it sounds contrived and forced. They add parts and parts and parts, but the end of part one doesn’t segue nicely into the beginning of part two. One is always aware of the parts as parts. The singer utters his poetry. Now comes the noodling guitars. And now comes the… but it doesn’t quite work. The audience has to be very forgiving. And they are. Because they are the demographic that the corporate product is aimed at. The ‘person’ has been targeted, and a subtle shift of consciousness occurs, where ‘music/poetry’ is replaced by ‘i-feel-so-cool-and-intelligent-when-I-listen-to-this-music.’ Well, of course you do. They researched your type in the corporate offices and you are being ‘fed.’ Bad taste? That doesn’t matter. Appreciating bad taste means you’re ‘smart!’ Life kind of sucks and Roxy music and you get to feel how life sucks together. Meanwhile you’ve been conned into listening to inferior music—which doesn’t really matter, because life sucks.

    The Beatles didn’t set out to do “art” rock. They were just very, very talented. They weren’t trying to ‘comment’ on how bad life was. They believed life was good—and gave us very, very good music.

    The 70s exploited the genius of the 60s. Corporate interpretation of natural genius. The corporate thinking is: a little self-indulgence is marvelous. More self-indulgence will be better!!

    • noochinator said,

      February 29, 2016 at 10:43 pm

      I think the acid test with Roxy Music is whether or not you’re a fan of Brian Eno (who was the keyboardist and guiding spirit). If you’re an Eno fan, you’ll like the Roxy; if not, prolly not….

  21. thomasbrady said,

    February 29, 2016 at 10:46 pm

    Another example of truly beautiful art rock are some of the songs Simon and Garfunkle made in the 60s. “Fakin’ It” is a masterpiece of art rock. Beautiful, uncanny, thrilling.

    Look at the cover art of Roxy Music’s albums. Horrible bad taste. That cover art says it all. Simon and Garfunkle, the Doors, the Beatles were ground-breaking, but they didn’t need to wallow in bad taste. And the Beatles had a very strange sense of humor. They had no problem with bad taste. But as artists, they weren’t about to shake bad taste in front of the audience’s face. That’s the difference. The Stones, after the death of Brian Jones, began to stray into bad taste territory.

  22. thomasbrady said,

    February 29, 2016 at 10:49 pm

    I’m sorry I’m coming across as a hateful sourpuss… It is an interesting discussion…

    • Andrew said,

      March 1, 2016 at 10:30 pm

      You are a good sport and we love you dearly.

      But i MUST say what I feel, thus maintaining the continuity of this golden thread.

      And I will say it by eloquently cutting and pasting links like this:

      http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2015/feb/25/roxy-music-10-of-the-best

      • thomasbrady said,

        March 1, 2016 at 10:52 pm

        Thanks, Andrew. Listening to some tracks. They often sound like The Stooges, that earnest hard rock sound, which is OK, but I can only take so much of it…

        • Andrew said,

          March 2, 2016 at 1:17 pm

          It is always an arduous task to inflict one’s own taste on others until they agree ! Probably achieves the opposite result in the end.
          I am ashamed to say I love the Stooges and listen to Fun House over and over and over again. How can so few chords sound so amazing? I am, unlike Noochinator, truly lowbrow in my musical choices. Sigh….

          I do enjoy classical but it is pathetic how I return to Rock riffs, which move my primitive soul.

          (George Friderick Handel was quite an art-rocker by the way)

          • thomasbrady said,

            March 2, 2016 at 2:24 pm

            Every physical thing, and that includes what the ear hears, can be reduced to formula. Rock is Beethoven re-formulated in a condensed manner, and heightened for pleasure by that very reason. As much as Beethoven appeals to our “blood,” rock can come along and do it better. Perhaps the religion which bans all music and all dancing is the true one and even classical music is sinful vanity. Or, Beethoven and Mozart give us soul music which is better than rock. A rock song can sound fantastic for the first two or three minutes, as you get that ‘rush’ from the hook and the beat, and then you get kind of bored. As I listen to Mozart’s Piano Concerto 21 over and over, its 31 minutes seem shorter and shorter every time, until it almost seem like a 3 minute ‘song’ to me. Which is wonderful, because what’s 3 minutes of pleasure compared to 31?


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