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GARY B. FITZGERALD, POET
Scarriet: When did you start writing poetry?
Gary B. Fitzgerald: My earliest memory is from the 5th grade, 1962. I was ten years old. I remember hearing an announcement on the school’s public address system that a poem by someone named Joyce would be read that morning. I assumed it was some girl in the 6th grade and was disappointed and jealous that my poetry had not been selected to be read to the school. I remember the words…”I think that I shall never see; A poem lovely as a tree.” As far as I was concerned, my poetry was better than this crap. Of course, the poem was not by a classmate. The “Joyce” was in fact, Joyce Kilmer and the reading was of his famous poem, “Trees.” It wasn’t until high school that I finally learned who Joyce Kilmer really was and the significance of his work. I still think mine was better.
S: Who taught you the most about poetry?
GBF: Seagulls and sparrows, eagles and owls.
S: What do you think poetry does best?
GBF: What does a bird do best?
S: Can you elaborate?
GBF: Well, I am being a little facetious, but birds, of course, make excellent symbols. Just look at the four I chose. They can symbolize freedom and joy, humility, strength or courage and wisdom. What birds do best, of course, is sing, as a poem should, fly, as a poem should, and inspire us by their seemingly effortless beauty, as a poem should.
S: Has poetry ever served any serious romance function in your life?
GBF: Surely, you jest.
S: Is poetry “timeless,” or must it be understood in terms of time and place?
GBF: Only timeless poetry is timeless. But that’s easy. Living hasn’t changed all that much and death is still death.
S: What’s more important to poetry: nature, philosophy or music?
GBF: Yes.
S: What’s the longest poem you’ve read in one sitting?
GBF: An eight-liner I wrote that took three weeks to finish.
S: What’s your take on Language Poetry?
GBF: I haven’t read enough to form an opinion. I don’t get out much.
S: How important are rhyme and meter to you?
GBF: How important are food and air to you?
S: Are you concerned with poetry’s role, or lack of one, in American society today?
GBF: Let me answer that with a poem. I wrote this around ’92, which was ten years before I owned a computer and at least twelve before I discovered internet poetry blogs. I have been encouraged by all the interest in poetry on the web, but I still think this poem fairly accurately reflects poetry in “American society” today.
My Old Friend Joe
My old friend Joe can take a stone
and a chunk of flint that’s brownish-red
and striking with precision form
a perfect, pointed arrowhead.
With an ancient skill he quickly shapes
a tool of stone with a glancing wave,
with an edge so fine and thin and sharp
that with it I would gladly shave.
My poor friend Joe, whose time is spent
in efforts quaint and obsolete,
shaping stones for hunting game
that bullets now make into meat.
So poor old Joe makes his useless stones
and time wasted it may be,
but I understand because I’m like him…
I write poetry.
Poetry Police said,
May 8, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Interesting, Gary
Snyder’s poem What You Should Know to be a Poet
all you can know about animals as persons.
the names of trees and flowers and weeds.
the names of stars and the movements of planets
and the moon.
your own six senses, with a watchful elegant mind.
at least one kind of traditional magic:
divination, astrology, the book of changes, the tarot;
dreams.
the illusory demons and the illusory shining gods.
(half time)
point by point
I still think mine ‘was’ better?. Gaz?
0: ‘was’ meaning – is; Fitzgerald.
Deasún
1: thirty years pre-web practice is an apprenticeship alright, Gary; tho yr originating impulse, I think the Reader would agree it’s fair to say; is inward energy born of rage at – what was initially (just) – one other bore; J.K.’s words, Johnston, Joyce and Kenneth Kilmer’s words in draoi, y’all punch a head off.
2: Lancashababru
3: in New York and Boston, Chicago, Gaswork’s Green, Dream a dream, my kinder Lancashababru Gary, tho F&S be not always ye
2: Kent in Margate and Dover, ye’ll always have L-I-V !! E-R-P, double O ell
Liverpool FC.
4: “jealous that ‘your’ poetry had not been selected to be read to the school”
5: you decided to make sure, admittedly because you were mad
as the Iveagh
bell
6: ‘Seagulls and sparrows, eagles and owls’
7: to compose unique poetry in prose; real gear, star
8: yourself as ‘I’ behind a curtain 30 years slog pre-mac
is a magic number
10: ye aye aye do it again, metrically
11: canté istá
12: eye of the heart
13: snám súad – two sages swimming
Int én bec
ro léic feit
do rind guip
glanbuidi
fo-ceird faíd
os Loch Laíg
lon do craíb
charnbuidi
Little bird
Whistled loud
Yellow billed
Blackbird-note,
Across Lagan
Loch; on gold
Whin branch.
16: streaming down two cliffs – Anruth
17: grade six anruth; yr six to nine
18: grade seven Ullav ollamh P.P.
19: poetry professor Gary
20: Snyder’s poem
What You Should Know to be a Poet
mo cuisle croi
pulse of my heart
24: Want a debate?
25: for the purpose of learning?
26: birds, of course, make excellent symbols. The four I chose can symbolize freedom and joy, humility, strength or courage and wisdom. What birds do best, of course, is sing, as a poem should, fly, as a poem should, and inspire us by their seemingly effortless beauty, as a poem should.
Fitzgerald
Deasún Caoimhín O Suaird
Earl
(second half)
What You Should Know to be a Poet
kiss the ass of the devil and eat shit;
fuck his horny barbed cock,
fuck the hag,
and all the celestial angels
and maidens perfum’d and golden –
& then love the human: wives husbands and friends
children’s games, comic books, bubble-gum,
the weirdness of television and advertising.
work long, dry hours of dull work swallowed and accepted
and lived with and finally lovd. exhaustion,
hunger, rest.
the wild freedom of the dance, extasy
silent solitary illumination, entasy
real danger. gambles and the edge of death.
grá agus síocháin
point by point
love, innit yeah
100: Goodbye
My old friend Joe can take a stone
and a chunk of flint that’s brownish-red
and with precision striking, form
a perfect pointed arrowhead.
With ancient skill he quickly shapes
a tool of stone, a glancing wave
with an edge so fine and thin. so sharp
it would gladly shave, with that I
poor friend Joe; whose time is spent
shaping stones for hunting game
that bullets now make into meat
in efforts quaint and obsolete.
So poor old Joe makes his useless stones
and time wasted it may be,
but I understand because, like him…
I write poetry.
5: Everyone not Me 0
2:1
tick tock.
Gary B. Fitzgerald said,
May 9, 2010 at 8:42 pm
Just for fun, here’s another poem from about the same time as ‘My Old Friend Joe’ with a different take on the subject:
Wasted time
is undefined
for time is time to each,
and spending time
creating rhyme
is time wasted some would teach.
To others waste
is in the chase
for riches and success,
but short is life, and soon to end,
and the value of the time we spend
is anybody’s guess.
Copyright 2005 – Evolving – Poems 1965-2005, Gary B. Fitzgerald
Gary B. Fitzgerald said,
May 9, 2010 at 11:42 pm
More fun! Following is a poem that’s basically a companion piece to my poem ‘Wasted time’, above. It was written about fourteen years later, back in 2006:
Wasted time
is now defined
and I’ve got forty years
to prove it.
Time to each
is only time
and who among us
could disprove it?
And to think our time
has been well spent
in writing poetry
(for time is time to each),
choosing loneliness and misery
instead of riches and success
is a reach.
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Poetry Police said,
May 10, 2010 at 6:18 am
You’ll need to come along with us, I’m afraid sir; there’s been an incident on the facebook wall of an election candidate for the highest office in the Grove, gary.
There’s been an incident: Foetry Poundation veteran; Ramla Muse, was the victim of identity theft by a poster posing as Poetry Police Chief Inspector; Thom Draby; and you, I’m afraid, are our number two suspect.
You’ll have to come with us now Gaz; and have a giggle being happy.
Wasted time
is now defined
and I’ve got forty years
to prove
Time to each
is only time
and who among us
could disprove it?
And to think our time
has been well spent
writing poetry (for time
is each to our own)
choosing loneliness and misery
no riches or success
is a reach.
~
and unwarranted personal intervention on behalf of the mugs by an old M’fum-fum choon Fitzgerald Deasún, you talented sta bard; lurve innit yeah Mister Tops.
Remember when we laughed at life square-on
grá agus síocháin
Poetry Police said,
May 10, 2010 at 6:28 am
Take no notice of my blether Gary. I ruined it by putting in one of my own lines, and learnt from the act.
time, like truth; is each our own
unfulrs unique to one and all
and lives are lived as days have gone
no two the same beyond a passing
of horizon by the sun.
And should the echos of our laughter
laughter then return,
when suns now set outweigh
the ones for rising,
will we live with those here left behind,
when our stream of time no longer flows
and lips of life cease smiling?
Lurve innit Gary
Al Cordle said,
May 10, 2010 at 5:48 pm
I love the Kilmer story! I believe “Trees” was first published in Poetry. It’s not a favorite poem of mine by any stretch, but it sure is memorable. Why?
thomasbrady said,
May 10, 2010 at 8:06 pm
“Trees” is a beautiful, beautiful poem. I loved it when I first read it, and looking back at it now, here’s why I think it made a popular splash:
1. The form fits the sentiment. Poems never succeed on their form or on their sentiment alone, but on the mixture of the two. The public appreciates this even as the learned damn the sentiment as sentiment and the form as form. Rhyming couplets of iambic tetrameter are ideal for the sentiment expressed. This cannot be taught, and it simply doesn’t come along every day.
2. The contrast between Nature and the Ambition of the Poet is exquisitely done, since the uppermost meaning “Trees are lovelier than poems” hides a more subtle one: “My poem gains in the very act of refuting itself.” Because the uppermost meaning is expressed without irony, the more hidden meaning is only comprehensible in a wholly unspoken manner.
3. The poem’s famous assertion is delicately put: “I THINK that I shall never see…” which richly supports the delicate balance of ‘said/unsaid’ in the poem.
4. The word “intimately” in the fifth stanza, is rhythmically one of the most breathtaking utterances in the history of poetry.
Objections to the poem, the God stuff, for instance, which may offend the learned, are small beans compared to its triumphs.
Finally, “Trees” deliciously hints at what the avant-garde would soon ‘discover:’ the ‘found’ ‘poem.’
TREES
I think that I shall never see
A poem lovely as a tree.
A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
Against the sweet earth’s flowing breast;
A tree that looks at God all day,
And lifts her leafy arms to pray;
A tree that may in summer wear
A nest of robins in her hair;
Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
Who intimately lives with rain.
Poems are made by fools like me,
But only God can make a tree.
Bob Tonucci said,
May 10, 2010 at 11:14 pm
The song “Trees” (music by Oscar Rasbach) was very popular over 50 years ago.
Gary B. Fitzgerald said,
May 11, 2010 at 2:13 am
When I got older and discovered who Joyce Kilmer really was, ‘Trees’ became one of my favorite poems. No, it wasn’t just because I was gratified to learn that I’d been passed over for a famous dead guy instead of some snotty 6th Grader, but (seriously) because, as Tom said, it is a truly beautiful poem. Timeless, even.
Unfortunately, this poem is seriously flawed. If one reads L5-12, the gender of the tree is obviously female. One could conclude that this poem was about Kilmer’s wife or daughter or even women in general. In fact, L9 & 10 are a perfect description of a loving and devoted but long-suffering wife.
But then, if we look at L3 & 4, we see that they contradict the potential metaphor. Surely these ‘trees’ are not suckling babies. So, ultimately, this is just a silly, flowery poem about trees and how beautiful they and Nature are, and, by virtue, God.
What makes it a great poem, though, one that has inspired me all my life, and what Tom intimates in his second point, is that Nature (or, if you prefer, God), will always exceed us. It is a poem about humility.
http://perpetualbird.blogspot.com/2010/05/pale-blue-dot.html
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Marcus Bales said,
May 11, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Bonsai in the Window
The bonsai in the window, turned
So sunlight stripes its roots and pot
But not a single leaf, has earned
The dribbled drink it finally got
Through mossy soil as thin as grief.
The paltry drops shine one by one
To tempt each wayward branch and leaf
To twist back down into that sun.
Its being bent in beauty’s pain,
It suffers artifice of blight,
And grinds its grain against its grain
Around its girth in stunted height,
While outside those in easy sight
Who intimately live with rain
With wind and weight, not wire, strain
To grow up straight into the light.
thomasbrady said,
May 11, 2010 at 3:13 pm
In the interview Gary scoffed at the idea of poetry having anything to do with romance in his life.
But in my life, women have wanted me because of my poetry, as much as I could tell on that point, a poem (Pushkin) inspired me to seduce a woman, and Shakespeare’s sonnets encouraged me to have children…all this is true, factual and conscious, not unconsious or surmised, and to me, perfectly natural.
I wonder whether the mass of mankind would be closer to Gary’s experience, or mine?
Gary B. Fitzgerald said,
May 11, 2010 at 7:07 pm
I’m afraid that someone may have missed my little joke. When I said “Surely, you jest.” in response to the question about poetry and romance, it was the same response I would have given to the question: ‘Do you like poetry?’ or ‘Do you like sex?’. It was meant in the vein of ‘Well, Duh!’.
As a young man, if it wasn’t for poetry I probably wouldn’t have had a sex life at all. Just because one is a Taoist doesn’t mean one lives in a monastery.
Bob Tonucci said,
May 12, 2010 at 12:22 am
I missed the joke too. I guess there’s a reason Gore Vidal called the U.S. “The Home of the Free…and the Land of the Literal.”
thomasbrady said,
May 12, 2010 at 2:38 am
Sorry I missed your joke, Gary.
Please elaborate!
Gary B. Fitzgerald said,
May 12, 2010 at 3:41 am
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Sparrows
“What is it with you and these sparrows?
All of these poems about sparrows!
Isn’t that a little bit odd?”
Well, actually, I replied, I believe that all sparrows
have authority to speak for God.
If you don’t see God in the sparrows
then you haven’t heard God at all.
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Copyright 2010 – Ponds and Lawns, Gary B. Fitzgerald
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Brenda Walker Gardner said,
October 19, 2011 at 5:21 am
Gary
I got the joke!! maybe because im a woman? I find your work very refreshing and can see how it helped you FEATHER with the ladies.
Gary B. Fitzgerald said,
October 20, 2011 at 1:46 am
Thank you, Brenda.
You said: “I got the joke. Maybe because I’m a woman.”
Here’s one you might appreciate:
Valentine + 30
Wow! All these years and
such an ass, so many bad decisions
but still you never left me.
So inconsiderate, so often crass,
but you’re still here beside me.
You still make my dinner,
pick up my clothes (carelessly tossed
despite all admonitions)
and still each year you happily accept
my guilty February rose.
Have I thanked you even half as often
as all the things you’ve done for me?
Copyright 2008 – Softwood-Seventy-eight Poems, Gary B. Fitzgerald